"An exposure is one of the part of the artistic language." Interview with Fedor Pavlovy-Andreevich

Fedor Pavlov-Andreevich

"It's time to say about it in full growth - from this Monday I no longer director of the state gallery in Solyanka.

Actually, I never was going to be. I didn't seem at all, even in those, even relatively prosperous times, that the artist should work for the state. At that moment, I was just busy with a fascinating case: a suitcase was put down to move to my beloved country on the letter BR. But when my father, Boris Pavlov, was inadvertently died, - but it happened in the fall of 2009, then Romuald Krylov, then the head of the cultural department of the Central District of Moscow, who began a lot of interesting things in the Moscow Center, - for example, who became the godfather of the Olya Sviblova Museum, And said: Well, Fed, if not you, then I don't treat anything. It was important for me that my father's case continued. And I realized that yes. So our new Solyanka appeared.

It was always interesting. Yet from the very beginning, I said that I would do Artist-Run Space - the space under the control of the artist - a story in which I would not have to lie to myself or make projects, completely alien to my nature. Another question is that finding money on the fact that my nature was close, turned out to be a task practically unrealized. And so, complicating his fate to the limit, but at the same time securing himself from the endless photo exhibitions of children of deputies, painting of mistresses of oligarchs and expositions of the parish drawing "Our area through the eyes of the flock", I was horrified to think about how to be. Nevertheless, everything happened somehow correctly. Already then there were "electromases" of Schulgin and a couple of other good museum projects invented by artists, but as far as I understand, Solyanka began to work first in this direction.

For the year in 2011, Solyanka became the one as it remains until today - with Marina Abramovich in the role of patroness, with Norstens in the form of a local saint and Sigalite Landau in the image of Demeters who came to us to celebrate the harvest of saline fruits of the Dead Sea. Pyrimfyr originated - both as a school, and as an endless festival of performances, and the retrospectives of Tarkovsky, parajanov and Bill Plympton and a more kind of good 50 exhibitions, about which there were not a lot of good, became the foundation of Sollyanka, the institution is already quite And the meaning - and we were very proud of it. A series of exhibitions of the Russian Performance "Seven Bolds" became a separate subject of pride: when we did the first in 2011, the Russian performance of the scene was empty, the kulik was no longer in Performance, and the new one did not appear, so we are with Liza Morozova and Lena Kovylina And they should have more or less exist alone. I had to persuade friends from neighboring media to come and become at the time performances. So it took place, for example, a great debut in Live Arth at Gali Solodovnikova, and when they collected the last, "artist in the pen", about exposure in Performance, it was already out of whom to choose, the Russian scene has affected.

Yolanda Jansen. Performance within the framework of the exhibition "Obskaya for Living", May 2017

Image provided by the press service of Solyanka VPA

Pyrimfyr is a project and heroic at all. To collect at least some money from people who wanted to become performances is a shuttless task. Nevertheless understand that it is impossible to earn it. But we tried as much as they could, and released, probably five or six students streams. Of these, the seven people are performed by the Performance constantly, and many are returning to this heat from time to time.

To see people who were before dentists, programmers or fashion designers and suddenly opened a completely unexpected door inside themselves and not looking back there - the same buzz. I follow, of course. And I try to call them when I supervise group projects related to the Performance, and recommend other people. But in general, such a school should live on grants, and not to try to recoup. And grants should be engaged in a team of professionals. But the problem is that my work by the soldered director was completely running around the world surroundings with an outstretched hand. Stretching the second hand to ask also to school, it was completely impossible. Therefore, the school is still over. But I believe that her hour will come. Experience has accumulated excellent, we are well known to us with Liza Morozova and other associates, someone stands as a teacher, so we will come back to this. There is a sake of what - after all, the wonderful flowers bloomed.

Solyanka became the first Russian institution, which decided to work every day to 10 pm, and on Fridays - until midnight. And this she remains the only one. Then a similar schedule made a garage, even later the Jewish museum, well, the rest slowly and rustly began to turn to the visitor. In some London or Paris, everything is still terrible in this sense. Everything closes at six. I am only surprised that they will not make theaters at three in the afternoon on weekdays? This is about the same undertaking. Full idiocy, honestly. Night director and night curator - also our story, which many people are now practiced in one form or another. But it is unlikely that someone else from the directors will begin to regularly change clothes to Lyudmila Nikolaevna's loophole and meet visitors to the reception (alas, the real Lyudmila Nikolaevna has not become). But I do not insist. Some things should remain only at Solyanka.

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In fact, I have already thought to leave for a couple of years. But here immediately a lot of reasons shot. In 2019, I have two large projects in New York, a museum exhibition in London and several group stories around the world, not to mention two new performances, one in Moscow and one in London. I just physically did not even jeopardize the Solyanka. And I am not quite honest, accepting the rules of the game of the state - I don't know what my next work will be in Performance and will not have to explain to my state bosses to their heads, why are they such a strange person in position in the office under the control office. And taxpayers - do they need it? No, I don't even think about it. Fortunately, there are private money and spaces whose owners do not need to convince - they themselves want to work. It is a pity that it will not be in Russia.

This old video cassette needs to be twisted a few years ago. Then Vladimir Philippov appeared in the Department of Culture of Moscow, a man who brought the right meaning and calm confidence - it is precisely his thanks to thanks in the last years of Soliaski and much more in Moscow culture - he wonderedly managed to hear and be heard. In November, he went to another job. But even earlier, in September of this year, with Rita Obien, the main curator of Solunka - and in general the curator with whom we have come up with and talked about the performance of the Performance (not only in Moscow, but also, for example, in São Paulo) in Recent years, - So, we did not work out to open one important exhibition, just invented Katya Nesashevaya. There were reasons for reason, I still don't want to talk about them, but it became clear: my time in Sankan swept, burst, it's time. Then I started thinking how best to do it. And he began to persuade the only man in the world capable of leading the Sankan further, take the case. Katya Bocar, my, probably, the main accomplice and the person for which I chew on the clock in my work has been more than ten years old, agreed to move to Solyanka from the north of Moscow (as at the time I agreed to move to Moscow from New York), continuing What we did, and what she did herself in the last four years on County.

I am very happy because everything was resulted, - people who love the Sollyan and who did not miss exhibitions there, will definitely be very interesting. And I will not deny anywhere and I will help - a little more than a distance than before, heading the Board of Trustees of Solyanka and continuing from time to time to return with individual projects, including some of those that have already been in Sankan tradition. "

Fedor Pavlov-Andreevich has been headed by the State Gallery in Solyanka in Moscow - Artist-Run Space (Artist's Artist's Artist) and Russia's only Performance Art and Film Films in Russia. Fedor is also an artist, curator and theater director

Since 1989, Fedor has been working as a TV presenter, and also publishes magazines ("Square", and later "not to sleep!", "I-young", "hammer", "Sitizen-K"). In the late 1990s, it begins to produce projects in the field of modern culture. In 2004, Fyodor produces its first job as a theater director - and since then will put one and a half dozen spectrals in Russia and abroad. Since 2012, Fedor has been working with the center named after Sun. Meyerhold in Moscow, releasing a series of projects in the genre "Dramthan". The play "Bifem" on the play L. Petrushevskaya (2003) received the Grand Prix of the Festival "New Drama", and the Yakut Opera "Starukhi" on the text D. Harms (2009) was awarded two nominations for the National Prize "Golden Mask". Completely breaking in the mid-2000s with television and media, since 2008 Fedor focuses on its artistic work - mainly in the field of performance and installation.

Among his art works - "Hygiene" (The Hygiene, 2009), Performance in the Gallery of Deitch Projects (New York); "The Temple of My Mouth" (My Mouth Is a Temple, 2009), installation / Performance in the framework of the exhibition "Marina Abramovich presents" in the Manchester International Festival in the UK (Marina Abramovic Presents, Manchester International Festival), Curators Hans-Ulrich Ombister (Hans Ulrich Obrist) and Maria Bolshaw (Maria Balshaw); "Egobox" (EGOBOX, 2010), installation / performance in the framework of the International Performance Festival, Claus Claus Bizenbach (Klaus Biesenbach) and Roseley Goldberg (Roselee Goldberg), CSI Garage, Moscow; "My Water Water Water" (My Water Is Your Water, 2010), installation / Performance in the gallery "Lucian Briton" (Luciana Brito Galeria) under the auspices of Sao Paul Biennale, Curator Maria Montero (Maria Montero), São Paulo, Brazil ; The Great Vodka River, 2010), installation / performance, curator Katia Krylova, as part of the Patrick Charpener's Art Patrick Curator (Patrick Charpelin) at the Art Basel Miami Beach Fair, Miami, USA; "Laughter / Death" (LaughterLife, 2013), Personal Exhibition and Performance, Curator Marcio Harum (Marcio Harum) at the Kaza Modernist Museum of the Cultural Center São Paulo, Brazil (Casa Modernista, Centro Cultural Sao Paulo); (FYODOR'S PERFORMANCE CAROUSEL, 2014), INSTALLATION AND PERFORMANS, CUARTORS Himen Faena (Ximena Faena) and Marcello Pisu (Marcello Pisu), Fenaen Art Center (Faena Arts Center), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Batatodrom (O Batatodromo, 2015), installation and performance in the cultural center of Brazil Bank, Brazilia, Brazil (CCBB Brasilia, Brasil), Curator Marcello Dantes. In 2016 held the second"Fedor Pavlova-Andreevich's Carousel" - Installation and Performance 9 Performance Artists, Curator Felicitas Thun-Hohenstein (Künstlerhaus Wienna (Künstlerhaus Wienna).

Installation and Performance "Batatodrom" (O Batatodromo) fell into the Short list of the 10th award of Arte Laguna (2016) and Performance was presented within the exhibition in ARSENALE, VENICE.

In 2015."Fedor Pavlova-Andreevich's Carousel" The Grand Prix of the International Curekhin Prize in the field of multimedia art was awarded (divided by Ragnar Kyartansson ( Ragnar Kjartasson).

His works were included in the collection "Marina Abramovich and the future of the Performance Art" (2010), which was published by one of the main PRESTEL publishers specializing in books on art, architecture and design. Also, the works of Fyodor Pavlova-Andreevich were included in the issue of publication 'Visionaire 25', Rizzoli (2016).

The artist, director, curator and director of the State Gallery at Solyanka Fedor Pavlov-Andreevich believes that everything can be wishes if desired. We decided to figure out what I still do, trusted technologies and talked to Skype

With Astat Fedor Pavlova-Andreevich in one place for several days in a row is determinedly impossible. Here it represents artists at the annual exhibition of hybrid art Lexus Hybrid Art, this documents the series of own performances on Sri Lanka, and is already flying to the opening of his exhibition in Brazil. We met with the artist in Skype to ask how to manage everything and immediately, why undress and where to look for his new projects in the foreseeable future. The conversation turned out to be frank.

Fedor, first of all I want to congratulate you with the next exhibition Lexus Hybrid Art. The queues stood up to the last, we checked.
Thank you. The interest of the audience depends on how everything is packaged. Marina Abramovich at the dawn of my work in Performance somehow told me: "Baby, Art IS Only 50% Art and 50% IS PR" ("Dear, in art only 50% of art, the remaining 50% is PR), - And now say it with an excellent Serbian accent.

What is the project of this year for you different from previous?
He was distinguished first of all that almost all of these works I once met and loved with all my heart, and in different places: some in Berlin, some at home in Rio or São Paulo (In recent years, Fyodor lives between Russia and Brazil. - Approx. Buro 24/7) Some in London and New York. And my biggest pride is that several artists have created absolutely new works of art specifically for Lexus Hybrid Art. That is, we arrived in advance to Moscow, the entire theater "Russia" was clisted, and everything decided. In general, in the exhibition of this year there was a very large proportion of my personal responsibility for content. There are such fairly vulgar notepads - Art That I "Ve Seen and Loved - and you put pictures of the works you like, the exposition was my personal similar notepad. And considering that my taste, how to say, does not always coincide with the tastes of other people. I really tried that it was only such works that are understandable to everyone, whether the grandmother, held through Pushkin Square, a cat, living in this building, or a three-year-old child, - and almost all the objects presented could be observed without having any fighting preparations in the field of Socrisian. After all, when you go to the room, behind the door of which the piano music played, and you see the faces of the two pianists looking at you and their hands hanging in the air - and they look at you, and look, and look, - And then you spit on this thing, go, you close the door behind you, and in the same moment the music begins to play again (the work of the German artist Annese Kars "Two play on one thing"), then at this moment you just and understand It's all that you want to know and what you want to participate, going outside reach - where we are not.

Artist, Performanceist, Art Manager, Director, Producer, Writer, Gallery Director - And this is not all. How are you manageable with all these social roles at once?
In fact, all my roles are one role. It's just very difficult to explain to people and make them believe you that you were born that you are laid on the genus and the tribe to do ten cases. Who only did not try to remake me. My favorite music teacher, Natalia Petrovna Petrov, when I was 5 years old, all the time pronounced these lines from Barto: "The drama, a circle in the photo, and I also sing hunting." And as if hinted: you don't want so much? Because I ran immediately for figure skating immediately from the music school, and from there to the rehearsal of my play, at the age of 6 I had already rehearsed, I started early. Well, there are still people trying to tell me: stop, focusing, do it only, that's what you get better. And I just live as I can. That is, I do exactly what I should nor less. Today, to my great joy, the times have come, when no longer needed to hide it, no one name. You say "artist", and it's all together, all at once. No need to talk about any art manager or a writer or performance, everything is included in the concept of "artist".

But everything and immediately, it is still difficult.
I live stories. Now, while we are talking, I'm in the village of Arugam Bay, on Sri Lanka, I make a series of my performances about slaves in Brazil - and about those that lived in the XIX century, and about the current ones. We are here with Cinema and Clemence Cinema and Photographer Igor African, we remove the story about a black guy - a shop, which last year crucified for the stealing on the lamppost, as in the times of slavery. Tomorrow we will tie me to the lantern, I have to provide 7 hours, because this series for the Afro-Brazilian Museum in Sao Paulo (called "temporary monuments"): Each monument has been 7 hours, and then there is a photo or video, or that And the other immediately. There is already ready job: I learned under the leadership of a local fisherman, and after a week, training was climbed and checked for 7 hours - from 8 pm to 3 am - and documented it. Just slaves, wanting to get rid at night, when no one saw, climbed on palm trees and mined seeds, which in those days terribly appreciated. These seeds they sold in the black market, and the revenue money was copied, well, and in the end they changed their own freedom. And work called "Temporary Monument N1", just about freedom.

"Until now, people trying to tell me: Stop, focus, do it only, that's what you get better."

Performance as an art type often requires significant physical effort. How to prepare and free the body?
I fight for my body at once in several ways. On the one hand, I dig in myself with the help of teachers: Cyril Black of "Yoga-Class", Tanya Domovtseva and Ani Luneganova in Moscow, Sri Darm Mitters and Lady Ruth in New York, Agustina Aguerrererery in Rio and other mentors important for me, "I am making my way to the deposits of useful and useless fossils, I first try to clear, the second is to throw away. This is yoga. I also do strength practitioners. In Moscow, I go to Dima Dovgany in the Repacklik, it is an amazing - a classic pianist who has become a coach for strength and Pilates. We are talking about music and invent different amazing ways to solve the issue of power by the mind. In general, I must every day spend some time for yoga and three or four weeks a week, regardless of flights, I give an hour or other strength. Well, then Cyril Black teaches me very interesting things. For example, how to get inside your eyes, how to penetrate physically into your breath, how to bend your leg without bending it.

And how did you come to expulsion as a means of your artistic language?
This is not the only tool. This is one of the parts of the language. It is just much more rushing into the eyes of people, not too experienced in observing the performance. No one surprises that in painting there are different types of oil paints. But the Naked Body of Performance is immediately turning this artist to the target. It is generally good, because it makes our very narrow and infant genre more popular. But, on the other hand, if you google my name in Russian, then the second line - "Fyodor Pavlov-Andreevich naked." And there was even a couple of days when, someone said to me, in Yandex for the word "artist" of the first line, an article was emphasized on this topic in Wikipedia, and the second - "Artist Fyodor Pavlov-Andreevich came to the MidSummer Night Festival" s Dream nude. "It is necessary to understand one such a simple piece: the nudity of the Performance is not the nudity of sex, not the nudity of erotica, not the nudity of desire or seduction. Or at least in most cases and in most strong work it is not that nudity. She Akin to the nude of the morgue, the height of baptism, height, at the end of the ends, the gas chamber. She is about zeroing. No one has questions regarding the nudity of sculptures or exposure in painting - Intsagram does not remove Selfie, shot against the background of Genitals David in the Italian courtyard of the Pushkin Museum. But behind my account installed a close observation: any photo, much more modest than casting with Michelangelo, immediately goes to non-existence. Therefore, people looking at art with interest will take some time that would get used to the fact that Peter Pavlensky, feeding himself with a nail to the Red Square, did not mean to show all people, how his eggs look like, - he said the terribly important thing that everyone who needs (and that is no less important, all Who does not need too), understood perfectly. And if he decided to do it in shorts, then the briefs would immediately become part of the message. And they would confuse all the cards. So nudity is a washed meaning, zero mark, clean canvas. It all starts with it, but it does not provide and does not guarantee the result from art. She can know everything and nothing.

"No one surprises that there are different types of oil paints in painting. But the Naked body of the Performance immediately turns this artist to the target "

You create performances since 2008, can you tell a little about your internal observations - for yourself, with your body, consciousness?
In 2008, when I made my first performance, I, I need to tell you, returned to my home. At that moment I had not yet had furniture, it was even unknown, at which end of the city is my house. But I already knew for sure that he was mine and that I had to live the rest of my life. What I did before, I remember everything and I understand everything, but it passed, turned over. Just find the door to the performance and in general in some other form of statement - non-linear, often not with a half-chart produced by the viewer - I took three decades. But now it is very cool and very interesting to live. Sometimes I think: even if I won't be tomorrow, I already lived an incredibly wonderful life. It was almost all in her, and I'm not at all sorry and it would not be afraid to go on.

And what about the plans for the future? What projects should be waiting in Moscow?
In the State Gallery in Solyanka, we are now preparing three exhibitions at once (all of them are special projects of the Moscow Biennale of Contemporary Art), which will just have to explain to people a lot about performances, the nudity and about how the art of performances resists the rules of life and how sometimes they wake them . One project is called "Intimate pictures" is an exposition about nudity in the British modern performance. We bring a very important artist and photographer Manuel Vazona. It will work with the seven Russian performance, each of which will make its performance within 7 days in the gallery halls. The name of this exhibition ARTIST IS HIDDEN - in Russian "Artist in Pagon": Each artists will build on the wall for which the performance will occur. And each of them will decide what size to leave the hole for the viewer: the gap, a small hole or a whole window. The exhibition will be devoted to an outstanding American performance, and now Architect Vito Acconchi, even at the end of the 1960s made a number of works that turned the course of the history of art. In the hall "Pepper" we will show a small archival exhibition of the Skolcchi itself, who has been 75 years old this year. He, by the way, promised to come and meet with the Moscow public. We have now declared a crowdfunding campaign to these projects, as the state is now meaningless to such money, and the sponsors are similar things too, alas, uninteresting. Therefore, hope for the viewers of Solianki. Two years ago, they did so that the exhibition "Artists Zoo" happened and became an important stage for all of us.

Do you follow the information agenda?
If you are about the news, I do not always understand, for the news of which country, Brazil or Russia, I need to follow first, so I sometimes decide not to read them at all. Moreover, in both countries now the crisis is now, and from one of them they come at all sad news. No news calmly. But sometimes they throw a reason for the work: here, for example, on the outskirts of Rio, some kind of dudes, voluntary forest sanitary panels, crucified on the lamppost of a 14-year-old black teenager, which produced by the stores. Tied (with the neck fixed by the bike lock), beaten and left overnight. Differently done with slaves in Brazil 150 years ago. In general, little has changed. This episode will be a reason for the fifth "temporary monument". In this series, I make performances for 7 hours long and document them in memory of slavery - and about what is already in history, and about what happens before our eyes. In Russia, with him, too, everything is in order. In Moscow, about a million people, mainly immigrants from Central Asia. If only some international organization came to mind the idea to look at how they live, what they eat and how their temporary owners mock them! Everyone in the West is concerned about the fate of Russian gays, and truly suffer only to gay teenagers who hate and over which everything is messed up, including their own parents, and the state helps this very much. As for the suffering of Russian gays in general, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, they, in my opinion, live normally: Yes, they are not allowed to carry out gay parades and give them in the face, if they go outside to protest, but many of them live comfortable and free. But the migrant workers do not care at all, because they do not speak English and do not know how to tell about themselves in picturesque details. Alas, a genre in which I work as an artist is still quite distant from the actual public and political situation. I am a big fan of Peter Pavlensky, who has a brilliantly work with this material.

As you, a person who is a lot and often abroad, treat Moscow secular life or, simply speaking, Tusovka?
I have (or was - I don't know if he continues his good deed) the idol - the leading Internet television "Oh no, not only!" On the website w-o-s.ru Oleg Crown. Here is his way to watch or even look at the secular life in Russia seems to me outstanding. In general, he does not know anyone by name, nor in the face, a man grew on some very other things, never opened the magazine Hello!, And now it is suitable with a microphone to people who, in his opinion, look like famous characters, And asks them, no confusing, very strange questions. And they suffer, suffer for a while, and then: "And you don't know who I'm so?" And this is right the most kayf. Oleg - Almost Marseille Proust modern Russian culture. The prunuer was very ill, lay at home and wrote kilometers of complex proposals, the basis for which there were almost evaporated memories of the Madelen cookies opened in tea and different thermoswater esivers there. And Oleg once again came up with calling me by hairstyle. He also had such a lingering: "Well, let's go now ask the same thing at Hair." And so I stand in St. Petersburg at some greatness event, and suddenly, in front of me, a pleasant hipster is stopped by 18 years old, looks, and then suddenly comes up and courtesy: "Sorry, please. Are you the same hairstyle? Oh! Wow! Can I take a picture with you? " Then, by the way, it turned out that it was the son of Sergei Kurekhina Fedya. And the next day I come to Moscow, I go to some party in the "Arrow", I stand with friends and tell this cheerful story. And you imagine, at that moment, a girl of years of 17 in a broad-breasted hat and a leather rainfall passes by us. And in my words about Fed Curekhin She suddenly freezes, stops her friend and yells on the whole bar: "Andrei, look, it's hairstyle!"
In Brazil, it all looks as beautiful: people love to be called the word "designer", and at the same time they make it possible. There is even a story about one young lady-fashion designer, which has already appeared on Rio Fashion Wiki and São Paulo Fashion Wiki (Brazilians charmingly redirect English words) and decided to try in London. She comes there, all of themselves swinging, and her on passport control is asked: "And why did you come here at all?" She, raising his chin, in his Brazilian English responds to the officer of the British border troops: "And you did not know that I have a celebrity in my country? Go better than me google. " In general, everything is very similar.

"Art as a business", how do you feel about this wording?
Freshly. I, of course, for the fact that the works are sold. There are three galleries that I do: one in São Paulo, one in Rio and one in Paris. They relate to me with respect and do not require me to turn the performances into something that is easy to sell. But if it happens, if a beautiful object is born, a photo or sculpture is born, then I am very happy about it and give it to the gallery, because many of my performances and installations require budget, and where does it come from? But when you start to think about it specifically, nothing happens. I am confident: if you do everything right, then with the time your work in art will begin to bring you money. After all, just 7 years ago made my first performance, so I am a relatively young author. But money is not the most important thing at all. The main thing is to try not to hypocrite and say what they dictate that through you goes. This is the most difficult task.

In its author's heading "Dressing room" Olga Zipenyuk meets the next hero MH immediately after training and causes it - warm and relaxed - on a frank conversation: first about the workout itself, and then about everything in the world. In this room, it is the artist and director of the State Gallery at Solyanka Fedor Pavlov-Andreevich.

How often do you happen here in the "Repack" gym?
When I respect myself, then five times a week. But here there are circumstances I am almost a flight attendant, I fly all the time. And on the day of the flight it is impossible for sports, only on yoga. Because the flight is weakening the immunity when you fly, you still get sick. And when you get sick - you can not load, otherwise you will get sick seriously. Fly hellish is harmful - as I sometimes make four transatlantic flights per month, then I know everything about it. This is how Mary Candida de Melo was taught, my Brazilian sick-doctor. The first - never there is a flavored rubbish. Everything that is fed on the plane is not known when, and then brought to the aircraft. In the environment, this is ventilated at best, 30 percent of air - when the doors open on Earth for a while. The rest of the time it is inhabited by the fact that passengers have fallen - a lot of interesting and not fully studied by the science of the reptiles. In this, by the way, the reason for many post-coaxal ailments. But the main problem is not even in the food itself - during the flight, all the insides are squeezed, only the fifth of the volume of the stomach works and it can cope with something - at best, with a rubbed soup, but it is rarely given in airplanes.

And how do you get out?
In each airport, where I often go, there is a proven restaurant in the departure zone. There I eat, right in front of the flight. Checked and proved by the stomach: so nothing is broken. And eat at least a piece of aircraft food - Kayuk. You can test everything on my stomach, it is like a crystal vase: a little bit - goodbye.

TEMPORARY MonUMENT 7 (Sao Paulo), Photo by guilherme licurgo

With food is understandable. What other are the air commandments?
On intra-projectal flights, for example, Sao Paulo - Buenos Aires, just 2.5 hours, - it is necessary to drink a liter of fluid. It is not very simple, but it is important. I always bring with me a thermos aircraft and packages of ginger-lemon organic tea, or rosehip. I take a couple of lemon dollak at the stewardles, we throw them into a thermos, pour boiling water - an hour later it is not so hot, you can drink. You start to run to the toilet towards the end of the flight, so that is normal.

Liter in two hours? Feet do not swell?
I put a small suitcase on my legs, which is allowed to take into the salon. Well, or completely naked: I take a place at the emergency exit in the first row and put the legs on the laid out of the stewardess, pre-having faced with it.

I'm trying to present myself to that stewardess.
Oh yeah! They all hope for me to get married, and the elderly is adopted. I am the case that comes to all options: the young I seem young, and the experiences are able to distinguish between in my eyes - it means that I can become their third marriage, which, as you know, forever. Gay-stewards hope for me on your own - I smile them! - And now they will be broken into the dance, as in the film Almodovar. I somehow flew in the empty plane "British" on the magic route of Almaty-London. Passengers were three, young simpot - I am alone, and stewards - five, all gays for fifty, wildly flirty. Of course, they did not know that I was just ten years old. Imagine what I was.

Hid in the sort?
I did not hide, I enjoyed care and adoration. I don't care who loves me - I love it. Okay, drove further about health. On transatlantics need to drink 2 liters. When I fly to Pavlik, - in the sense of São Paulo, is at least 11, or even 13-15 hours, from Doha - all 16. My body is already trained. I go to the take-off tightly. I sleep 10-11 hours almost without a break. I wake up. I make pranayama and sackards. I drink a liter of hot water with lime. Then I do Asana's an hour - there is such a place between the salons, the eldest flight attendant, with whom it is necessary to agree on it always allows. I often fly by the Turks, so the Turkish flight attendants are going and discussed me, sometimes clap. Then drink protein shake. After that, again, I danced water and, if completely inadvertently, I buy oatmeal biscuits - I buy boxes in London and always wear in a backpack - because it is impossible to starve it, I did not touch Maria Candida. From the moment you have a meeting with her, thanks to all these measures, Jetlag was once in life, although the continents I change at least once a month, or then two and three.

Temporary monument 4, Photo by igor afrikyan

At what point did such a concentration appear on his body?
Concentration has always been. But when I turned 32, I realized who I am. Not a TV presenter, not a producer, not the chief editor of magazines, not a PR, not a support for the microphone on corporate parties, not this is all. And I am an artist and my remedy to speak out loud - performances.

Foundling 3, Photo by dasha kravtsova

How did you understand it? Was there a voice? Sleep? Or did it change himself and walked you on Arkan?
I worked to everyone in the world, earning my frying pan in hell. He released the magazine "Hammer" - recently I was caught for a sleeve of a fat elderly Uncle and said, strangely looking into the eyes: "In childhood, your poster hung my bed." I led the corporate parties and the program "up to 16 and older", Zhirinovsky came to me in the studio, and Nikas Safronov gave me a book that I tried to throw it three times, and every time I was brought to me, because there was a gift inscription. I received money for the search for a common language with my mother's favorite Ksenia Sobchak in front of millions of viewers, and now the underground performances rehearsed for this money. On my third, it seems, the performance of the German curator of Christina Steinbreker came, and said: Listen, this is not the theater, it is a performance! And I just thought: why is I so fascinating Marina Abramovich on a horse and with a white flag? It turned out everything that was in my inexplicable since childhood, all these standing hours in one place, repetition of different words - all this was a performance, I just didn't know about that. And then Kristina sent me to Rome to some group exhibition, where I made my first performance. Strange. The second was also strange, but already on the third, - even more strange, in London - shouted the nose of Hans-Ulrich, an outstanding curator. I sat naked on the floor and infinitely spoke out all that I thought in my head, looking into the eyes of a sculpture made of food for home rats - and five wild rats of this sculpture. And the obscuration, such, says: "Oh! You need you. " So I fell to the exhibition of ten perform artists called "Marina Abramovich presents."

AND? Began a new life?
Do you know what I felt then? As if she was born by Transgender, she suffered all his life in someone else's gender, and then I would suddenly have made a floor change operation. I walked back to myself, has become myself. And when I understood it, immediately came peace inside, clarity outside in many things, and the body gradually began to enter their shores. Yes, it was a year in 2008.

For sure, not before? I remember how in 92 I tried at least someone from the "Kommersant" to send to the Austrian Alps to test the sneakers of the famous brand - no one wanted to hear that it would be necessary to get up at 7 am and dangle in the mountains. And you drove like a clockwork.
Well, it's because I loved everything free. And now I love. I am a household of one great cultural figure, now elderly and legendary, told: When he returned with the tour, he had a deposit of hats for the shower and tons of disposable slippers from his baggage. He is very even rich - just sitting in it sits syndrome of the Soviet travel. I, apparently, also inherited it. So when you sent me to test sneakers for free, - and I was 15 years old, of course, was delighted.

Foundling 4, Photo by marcelo elidio

Sneakers - an excellent reason to return to the topic of sports. Do you train with an instructor?
For ten years, I have a coach - a terribly competent dude, adored Dima Dovgan. We started with him in the "Repacklik" on October, and then together moved here on the gross. He Dorian Gray specifically. You go to the hall, look - what else is it? Why is such a person - and coaching form? Dima from an incredibly intelligent family: Dad, Mom, sister and brother - all pianists. In his youth, Dima graduated from Gnesinskaya Academy, promoted competitions, but then the children began to be born alone, - now there are four of them. Fortunately, not all pianists are some violinists and also win contests. So Dima had to go earn. He began to engage in pilates and functional training. Through breathing, through a soft distribution, - and with complete ban on any chemistry, - Dima is achieved very fast and clear bodily results.

photo by dasha kravtsova

You were initially sharpened not to the empirical "health", namely on the body result?
My body is a tool. I'm talking through it. Therefore, I have no choice if I wanted it to water, cut forward and fertilize, the tool will not work.

Describe your average functional training.
It always consists of two parts. At first I launch streams: I drive energy by body, I look so that there is no holes, so that everything is filled with. I try to go to the special Hall for Stretching, because not all athletes understand what is happening with a person, which is worth a couple of minutes with closed eyes - and something happens to him, and what is unknown.

Chasing energy? Sorry, how - effort will?
Well, this is not quite about the will - rather, about any myofascial affairs, no esoterica. Just our body - a bag: you realize, maximum, hands or, there, head - and then not always. The rest lives in ignorance and stagnation. But when you start attentive to pass different cats, penetrate the deaf angles, everything is enlivened. I never listen to music, I do not go around the hall with the phone - I focus on, I am going on every exercise and know what I want from him. My task is not to gain weight, I do not want to inflate. With the growth of 190, my usual weight is 76 kilograms, I have a very lung bone - that is, by nature, I am a total tank. And if for a couple of months to stop doing so much and we will weigh. And my task is to weigh 82, I must support it.

Launched streams, dispersed energy, what's next?
Heat the power on the body and making it filled, I get up. It stands on the hands of 16 breaths - this is already physical filling. Further goes split - two exercises on the chest and one in hand, or on biceps, or on triceps. Breast: Different options for wiring in TRX, Castle dumbbells lying on the ball, dumbbell wiring with different bench inclons, just never bar.

Why don't you write a rod?
Rod - killer, my body does not respond poorly. I had an injury in 19 years old - a compression spinal fracture: fell back while showing from the podium, from a high height. Comrade jokingly pushed. I didn't even know about this fracture, I walked with pain - I have a pain threshold that I am teeth flying without anesthesia. After that, I have to be careful in choosing arsenal.

Is there a permanent set of exercises?
Biceps is always a drop-set: I raise the dumbbells with both hands, first 22.5 kg 5 times, then 17.5 to 9-12. All power things do four to five approaches, including warm-up. On the day, when I make a triceps, alternating four exercises Superset: Tractor in the simulator reverse grip, I prefer a short bar, pulling down with pressed elbows 12 times, now 36 kg on average. Then pulling up: either very wide grip, Dima supports legs, it turns out both in the gravitron, or a narrow grip - five approaches 8-10 times. Either there is another option: you approach the unit, where the raznaya traction is being done, omit the barbell about the meter from the floor, you climb under it, grab the reverse grip for her with your hands, hang and pull it up, 15 times 5 approaches. Then in this split goes TRX with a wiring - I do with a slight weight, like 15 kg, I try to pull in the projection of the chest, settling one straight leg back to the sock, and another forward, bent in the knee, having arched back and in no way dropping the chin. And the fourth element is the buttocks. Making the so-called Romanian craving with 50 kilograms.

Romanian?
I think in Romania, this crave does not do, all these names are like Salad Olivier, about which Olivier never heard. For example, in Portugal, hot water with curly carved lemon is called Carian, which is in the translation of the "resident of Rio de Janeiro," and in the Rio itself, no one drinks such water in life and does not know about it. In general, split from four elements takes a 20 minute maximum. I do not rest between the approaches, I like not to waste time, be in full focus, four exercises take place very quickly - but it turns out the day when the triceps. But the biceps usually ten minutes longer - the minimum split set takes half an hour.

Is it chest and arms, and the rest?
I have a divine press, I have to repent you.

Do not blindly see.
He does not need almost no care in any care - I do a candidate, as we say in Brazil, once a week, if AT ALL. As a rule, I charge for a ten-minute cycle: first 150 times in a row oblique - lying on the floor, watering the foot on the wall with bent knees, and curly. The second case is right there, without getting up, 50 lifts-lowering on triple breathing, and then finishing - 150 very short jerks. After that, in the press - a fire, and you can not remember a week about it.

Cardigargo?
I have severe and big legs from nature - in the Moscow metro I easily run up through the step of the escalator of any length and almost without losing your breath. But my ass, which I am currently definitely proud of is the fruit fruit. Fruit grown by long concerns. Every time I do, make buttocks, because from nature the ass is flat, like a wall.

Here, I feel, girls actively connect to reading our interview.
This is an illusion that such boys is not interesting. Famous fact: a woman is looking at the first thing for a male ass for some reason. Therefore, without ass - nowhere.

And I have scarecrow, I first look a man in my eyes.
Exercises for the eyes, by the way, I do every night before you sleep. This is a superswear thing, it suggests order in the whole body. You close your eyes. 20 administrative rotations clockwise, 20 against. It is important not to move any other person, otherwise everything is a lot. In the first time it will be very difficult. The second exercise, they are all done with their eyes closed, are pupils up to the limit, then down to the limit. Third: pupils left to the limit right to the limit. All 20 times. After that, the body comes with a bow and you can fall asleep.

You abbreviated with the buttocks on the eyes.
Well, come back. There are five exercises for the buttocks that I like. I start with the maximum weight - it is breeding legs in the simulator, usually 70 kg - I do 12 times. It is important to breed very slowly and to the limit - then with any weight it will be sense. Then I gradually reduce the weight - 65, then 60, two more times 12. There are four approaches in my split. The next exercise for the ass can be done at all without weight: we go to the floor, you put one bent foot on the bench, and another directly upright up, and rose, straightening the lower back, 30 times on every leg. Even on the buttocks I make variations of the head of the foot back with a weighing of 12 kg, a walking leg, on such a velcro - I do not know how this thing is called. In Russia, such weights for ICRs are more than 5-7 kilograms, there is almost no time, and there are 12 in Brazil in all rooms, and 15 kg - there people are very careful about their ass. In Brazil, the more ass, topics honor - because samba, because sex love. Women these huge wealth are tightened and emphasized, butorous implants - supertext at the plastic surgeons.

You said that the training consists of two parts.
The second half is asana. I have been doing myself lately. My teacher Cyril Black, according to which I have been working for my life for a couple of years, - we met in the Club "Yoga Class," - it believes that a person himself can only destroy problems inside his body that you need to constantly dig in it, to understand - and Everyone will happen. By the way, about the distribution and overclocking of energy in the body and the filling of the periphery is all he invented. Each time after the power workout, I can hang in Asanas for a good time - at such moments you do not know what is happening around. In the "RepaBlik" understanding people - such an atmosphere conscious: everyone is friends with everyone, but keep a distance, give you to be yourself. There, in fact, eight years ago, I met inhumanly beautiful Tanya Domovtseva. Tanya now seems to be more than 60 - and this is one of the most beautiful women known to me. Her classes, for which a couple of dozen man often come, is a hand that supports everyone who does it, regardless of the number of participants. Tanya taught me a lot. She herself took up yoga already in adulthood, at 38 years old, its system is very competent and wise, very attentive. If suddenly after the power workout, I do not want to do myself, I go to the group yoga either to Tanya right in the Repacknik, or to the new club "Material", which was opened by another important yoga-man in my life - Anya Lunegov. In general, yoga after training for me is obligatory - I do not remember, so that I scored it.

You talk with such a passion so in detail about the physical ... What time is it time for a total of you devote to your body?
I devote all your time. Because I always find in him at the time of physical life - and I want to feel it and hear. And if you are about practitioners, then in the morning I do all sorts of respiratory affairs - for a short time, 5-10 minutes, and do some simple things before bedtime. When I do not go to the hall, I try to make Asana half an hour at half an hour. In the summer, it is necessary to disappear on three weeks in an embrace with the light - this is my serphic board, I have been driving for more than 15 years. In these three weeks, I try to make asana softer and deeper, a few hours a day I catch the waves, and the rest of the time - I write texts and invent new works, it is always very important for me.

What do you eat? The question is extensive, but the answer, I think, will be closer - there, flower pollen, morning dew and a worm apple, bought exclusively in the old woman who has grown his old woman. Right?
It is funny that it is now three diesel apples in a backpack. This is just a given one - my body does not accept very many edible things: immediately something begins to root or hide.

So I ask - what are you eating?
From unimpressive food only eggs, - I try to buy organic, and goat products or sheep milk. Goats and sheep are not bred in industrial quantities, so they are not baked as cows, hormones and other rubbish. Goat cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt - in Brazil I do it myself, buying milk on the farm. And then - any such, from which you can get protein: lentils and other beans, nuts - not everything, I have for many allergies, for example, on peanuts and cashews.

When was the last time you drank alcohol?
Yesterday. I can make a couple of white wine sips. But from all the dops I like the smell of marijuana most. I like the smell, but I do not like smoking. So I do not drink, I do not smoke, I have one serious vice: I am very dependent on sex. Born like that. As a child, the girls and boys in the kitchen arranged in the kitchen, and they have all the briefs on my "three or four". It is very difficult to find a person in my age category in Moscow - from those who went to the house of creativity of the Union of Writers or the Union of Theater Workers, or somewhere hanging out - which I did not bow to the actions of a sexual nature. Not to mention adults: I was a "pedophile on the contrary" in childhood, 34-year-old aunt, who worked in a pioneer organization and the 13-year-old shooting for shooting for the Marathon-15 program, in which I then worked for a long time about it sorry. Now everything is the opposite. Today, in 40 years, people are usually already destroyed. Sexually, emotionally and, most importantly, bodily.

All are destroyed, and here you are such a bulk apple, yeah.
Chervivoy all g - because organic. And this worm is still no longer-haired means of redistribution of gender. But it is being found, I believe, - I work in this direction.

Do you physically mean yourself, including because of sex?
As for that, why am I am a patent, it's all things, clinging for each other. Fitness is he about eternal life. Which, of course, can break into any time - and now you are lying, all the embossed and hillous, in the box, and no one can even admire you, because you are covered with the bedspread and dressed half the shirt. And everyone is looking and thinking: "And under the clothes! He tried so much - and everything is in vain. " Therefore, from the point of view of mortality, it is better not to deal with the body, but to give him peacefully. Another question is that I have this job! My work, my body, my sexual energy is all the same. My job is about the truth, that I truly worries me.

And sex, obviously, not in the last place in the list of things that are disturbing you.
Sex - in the first place. It must be honestly recognized.

Photo by gustavo von ha

Choosing Brazil as one of the basic points of your habitat is also connected with it?
Not. But as soon as you decide to be honest with you, many things begin to occur without your will. So when I went to the street 10 years ago and inhaled the air - I immediately understood: this is my earth, my people, my language, my culture, my body. Opened his mouth - and the language flew into it: I spoke in a week. Raised his leg - and she already made a samba step. For three days in Rio or in Pavlik, - Sao Paulo, - I get yourself. Brazilians to sex are generally completely different than the rest of the world. In my recent birthday, my friends and girlfriends swam on a boat on a near-the island in Rio. All my friends swell a little - and now we are lying on the deck of the boat, hugging everything, we rejoice in the sun, the sea, each other and somehow we want to hug each other and all that. At some point, I understand that the driver of the boat is looking at us because of the glass. I am getting ashamed for some moment. We sail back, go ashore, and I tell him: "Aristle, brother, forgive me, that we are. Awkward before you! " And he is: "You are! It was so beautiful! So awesome! I admired! " But at the same time, Brazilians have a wild shame of nudity. You can put on a tooth thread instead of panties and stick a couple of brushes on the nipples - it will already be considered dressed. But I get out of the box after my performance "Podlidysh" in Sao Paulo - everything is horrified with their hands with their hands.

So what bothers you?
Sex is beautiful. This is an important part of life, without her anywhere, she leads and drives everything. My favorite recent news in Brazilian sites was from a small town in Pernambucco. There, the robber prepared for the attack on the house - a gun, a mask with eye slits, all things. A couple living in the house, this evening planned a sex party - another couple came to visit, and the third pair was late. And this robber de-energizes the house, closer in the window, - in a mask, with a cannon. And there is just an active prelude. It is immediately lying on the bed, undress, he becomes part of the orgy. And his plans change, because sex is most important.

Temporary monument 5, Photo by Pedro Agilson

The body is your tool, nudity - your tongue, sex is your engine. You can explain these tools to these tools as the world works?
My children, - I think they will soon come together, "will receive a full picture of the world. If they were born at 17 years old, as I initially wanted, they would not be very lucky, because they would have been fevered with me. And now I am almost completely ready for them - I know how and what to tell them where to drive hands. I have five nephews and niecers, three grandchildren's nephews - I was trained at them. But they will become vegetarians, only if they themselves want. There will be no dictate.

From what kind of experience do you want to save them?
From trade in digital.

You shame the media past?
On the contrary - mercy. "We welcome you to the studio of the talk show" The price of success ", we, your presenters, Lyudmila Nastov and I, Fyodor Pavlov-Andreyevich!" ... I'm not ashamed of a minute. Just so then was the chemical composition of my blood. I confused the performance with climbing into a television box. It was an incorrect box. I now have the correct: glass, almost as close, but a little is not so flat, like modern TVs.

And the "golden shower" on the MIDSUMMER NIGHT "S DREAM is the right box?
I am in my life many solutions take x * eat. Therefore, I put a shower on him and went to the Midssammer. This holiday makes my close friends and I could not miss it - then there was an anniversary of their wedding. There all my big Moscow family came there - it was impossible to appear in an elf costume, you know? Any suit on me automatically becomes part of my work, I can't "just dress up." Then, from this carnival costume, Dickorders increased for the Venetian Performance Week - and there already this idea has finally become Live Art "Ohm. Just performances - it is about the zero mark of meaning, about the insides, turned inside out. This is often Harakiri.

Os Caquis, Photo by Pedro Agilson

Turning inside out - in the name of what? What is important to you to tell people through your artistic experience?
There are things to which with a linear way of conversation will be required hours or years, and art can explain them in a second, click. Sometimes for this it collaps his sacrifice, brings to the floor, rapes, it has it. I had it several times with contemporary art. Once I became a victim of Tino, just in Rio de Janeiro. After a woman who participated in his performance, who simply told me a piece of his life, is not a tragic, not even sad, - I stood in an empty museum, leaning against the column and sobbed half an hour, as if I had been from the inside, Baby and cleaned. For some time ago, the same thing happened in the theater of nations, I went to Peter Brook - a short watch spectacle on Mahabharat. In the twentieth minute I had tears. And then I poured the floor, the walls, the whole theater, the girlfriend looked at me in horror - well, we were mistaken to the government lie. Also, by the way, from steep art, in no way associated with erotica, an erection may occur. That is, your own body begins to offer you different methods of extreme response - because it does not have another, more relevant extended signal.

And here you are such a crystal-muscular, press-to-heaven, crying on other people's performances, you speak with people your body. But you did not answer the question, what do you want?
I do not want anything at all. Some work can be done in the field, in the forest, in the middle of the sea, on the mountain. When no one sees. It is important for me to understand why I am here. And where I will go further.

DiKORDERS, Photo by Alexander Harbaugh

Then why are you looking for a response with the help of spectators? Why you do not lie down in the field or forest, trying to understand why are you here?
If thirty people came to my performances in Moscow, I jump from joy. Because even among my friends there are few people who are able to stick. And no one is to blame. You can not bring a reindeer from Kamchatka, which was born and dies in the yurt, - to listen to the Big Theater: he will think that a woman gives birth on stage, will help to help.

Why? If they sing well - he will have an erection.
There is one thousandth percent of art, which, without being part of the usual consistency, will be understood by everyone. Here Peter Pavlensky - nailed himself for the eggs to the Red Square and every village, each prison and the hospital knows about it. It is clear, 98 percent believe that the place is not in France, but in the psychoneurological boarding school. But it is no longer important. My chief favorite Caravaggio was also sitting in prison - and no one almost did not understand him. And he was a performance officer, of course. And Goya, another my idol. Nothing has changed since then!

Do you put these three in one row? And how do you yourself, do you want to remember - how is Pavlensky or how to go?
I want to look in the mirror, and so that it was not ashamed. I want to wake up and do not think that I do garbage. I want myself not to lie. I want to love what is happening every minute of life what is happening around, or at least take. If I accidentally know me, it will not be good, the better for me. You know, in the midst of his talk show on federal TV channels, I flew from Sochi to Moscow, and through all the flight field, the young lady was running with a cry: "Stay! Pave! I really need your signature! " Delighted me, opened a notebook and said: "So. First here, then on the chest. Write - Angela from Anton. " She took me for Anton Komolov. In general, I think it would be better not to know me - I will be so much better for me. They can, so be, to find out later - when I am completely old. Well, or when I reborn into something more intelligible.

Olga Zipenyuk