Why the Orthodox can't play cards. Folk omens and superstitions

• barre199909
• December 09, 2009
• 18:11

well, what an empty pastime and excitement is understandable) But dominoes, for example, or any other games do not cause such protests as cards) I do not play myself - just the code my friends persuade - you need to correctly justify your refusal 0 =) God bless you for the answer) )

• flowerpot197805
• December 09, 2009
• 18:17

The so-called "playing cards", which are, unfortunately, in many homes, are an instrument of disunity, through which a person certainly comes into contact with demons - the enemies of God. All four gambling "suits" mean nothing more than the cross of Christ together with other sacred objects equally venerated by Christians: a spear, a sponge and nails, that is, everything that was the instruments of suffering and death of the Divine Redeemer.

And out of ignorance, many people, throwing themselves "into a fool," allow themselves to blaspheme the Lord, taking, for example, a card with the image of the "trefoil" cross, that is, the cross of Christ, which half the world worships, and throwing it casually with words (forgive me, Lord !) "club", which in Yiddish means "bad" or "evil"! Not only that, these daredevils who have played suicide, in essence, believe that this cross is "beaten" by some lousy "trump six", not knowing at all that "trump" and "kosher" are written, for example, Latin, the same.

It would be high time to clarify the true rules of all gambling games in which everyone who plays is "a fool": they consist in the fact that ritual sacrifices, in Hebrew called by the Talmudists "kosher" (that is, "pure"), supposedly have power over With the Life-giving Cross!

If you know that playing cards cannot be used for other purposes, except for profaning Christian shrines for the delight of demons, then the role of cards in "fortune-telling" - these nasty searches of demonic revelations, will become perfectly clear. Is it necessary in this connection to prove that everyone who touches a deck of cards and who has not brought sincere repentance in confession of the sins of blasphemy and blasphemy has a guaranteed residence permit in hell?

• flowerpot197805
• December 09, 2009
• 18:23

So, if "clubs" are the blasphemy of raging gamblers against specially depicted crosses, which they also call "crosses", then what do they mean - "blame", "worms" and "tambourines"? We will not bother translating these curses into Russian, since we do not have a Yiddish textbook; it is better to open the New Testament for the shedding of the Light of God unbearable for them on the demonic tribe.

Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov edifies in the imperative mood: "get acquainted with the spirit of the times, study it in order to avoid its influence as much as possible."

The suit of cards "blame", or otherwise "lances", blasphemes the Gospel lance, then As the Lord predicted about His perforation, through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah, that "they will look to Him who was pierced" (12:10), so it happened: "one of the soldiers (Longinus) pierced His ribs with a spear "(John 19:34).

The card suit "worms" blasphemes the gospel sponge on the cane. Just as Christ warned of His poisoning through the mouth of the King the Prophet David that the soldiers "gave Me gall for food, and in My thirst they gave Me vinegar to drink" (Psalm 68:22), so it came true: "One of them took a sponge, gave me vinegar to drink and putting it on a reed, he gave him to drink "(Matt. 27:48).

The card suit "tambourines" blasphemes the gospel forged tetrahedral serrated nails, with which the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed to the tree of the Cross. As the Lord prophesied about his carnation, through the mouth of the psalmist David, that “they pierced my hands and my feet” (Ps. 22:17), so it came true: the Apostle Thomas, who said “if I don’t see His wounds from nails on His hands, and I will not put my finger in the hole of the nails, and I will not put my hand in His side, I will not believe "(John 20:25)," I believed because I saw "(John 20:29); and the Apostle Peter, addressing his fellow tribesmen, testified: "Men of Israel! - he said, - Jesus of Nazareth (...) you took and, having nailed (to the cross) with the hands of (the Romans) the wicked, killed; but God raised Him up" (Acts . 2:22, 24).

Crucified with Christ, the unrepentant robber, like today's gamblers, blasphemed the sufferings of the Son of God on the Cross and, out of intention, out of repentance, went forever to hell; but the prudent thief, setting an example for everyone, repented on the cross and thereby inherited eternal life with God. Therefore, let us firmly remember that for us, Christians, there can be no other object of hopes and hopes, no other support in life, no other banner that unites and inspires us, except for the only saving sign of the invincible Cross of the Lord!

• tank
• December 09, 2009
• 21:36

Well, yes-nesting dolls! You can't play cards, you can't smoke cigarettes and hookah either. As fun, it is impossible! How then to enjoy life?

• transshipped
• December 09, 2009
• 23:22

pleasure is a by-product that must be caught.

for more "quality" pleasure, Joy, one must not seek it, but another Sense.

• australia5832
• December 10, 2009
• 12:19

Horror! I didn't know that about cards. But that there is something in them for sure. I know some people who, after some upheavals in their lives (came to Orthodoxy, read some spiritual book or got pregnant), cannot simply physically overcome their aversion to cards.

• computation1018
• December 10, 2009
• 15:54

# 6 If all the pleasures in your life are limited to cards and tobacco, then this is really a very poor life! Have you really noticed the difference between the pleasures that are left behind by the "hangover" - i. E. spiritual emptiness, physical relaxation and malaise, and even reproaches of conscience, albeit barely noticeable, and those pleasures from which wings seem to grow: for example, from some interesting trip with loved ones, or from an interesting and good book read?

• tank
• December 10, 2009
• 16:20

Dear Ekaterina Kovina, there are probably enough joys in my life. Spend time with loved ones and go somewhere; read an interesting book for a dream to come, yes; sit at night with friends in the apartment and play poker, drinking whiskey with ice and cola, and smoking a cigar, yes; spend time at the bar, playing billiards, again with friends, yes; on my or friends' birthday, get drunk and smoke a hookah; go to the women, yes; go fishing, hunting, yes. As Omar Hayam wrote: "... to grow in the soul an escape of despondency is a sin ..." and "... To send to hell because of wine and women? Then in paradise, probably, there are no souls ...", and " ... There is a baby in the cradle, a dead man in a coffin, that's all that is known about our fate. Drink a cup to the bottom and don't ask much, the Lord will not reveal a secret to a slave. " If you don't get high, comfort and satisfaction from life, then why live?

• @ 4apoplectic523
• December 10, 2009
• 18:30

Yes, Alexander amused. Interesting words are said in the Bible: drink, have fun, walk, live for your pleasure - just know that for all this God will bring you to judgment ...

• tank
• December 10, 2009
• 19:27

I just can’t accept a humble lifestyle :-) If you look at life all the time too seriously, then it’s somehow sad, or something dreary. Why is it a sin to rejoice and be glad? Why not smoke a cigarette and sometimes have a little drink for fun? After all, Jesus at the wedding turned water into wine. And they partake with bread and wine. No, good gentlemen, I do not intend to deny myself fun. Otherwise it's sad to live. I do not believe that God will punish for this.

• sweater
• December 10, 2009
• 21:03

All this "symbolism" does not contain any meaning. Someone's fantasy, in order to turn the game into a frightening card, said that the cards have anti-Christian symbols .... I am against playing cards, but I do not share the opinion about the "symbolism".

For some it works, and they do not play ....... but the bad thing is that the true meaning (ie excitement, waste of time and money, etc.) is not deterrent for everyone.

But "Christian symbolism" is, yes, significant ................. but not thoroughly.

• loiter
• December 10, 2009
• 22:11

And who even said that rejoicing is a sin? It is said in the Holy Scriptures: "Always rejoice", and it is also said: "Everything is possible for me, but not everything is useful." There is a difference between fun, giggle, courage, and joy. After verbosity, irrepressible laughter, indeed, the soul is disgusting, as after a hangover, and as a rule, after a fun evening, the next day, despondency begins to fight the soul. And about the rejection of the humble lifestyle. Humility comes from the word peace, when you joyfully accept what is happening in your life, when you are in peace with God and people (this is what every Christian strives for). Why did you decide that a humble lifestyle is necessarily sadness, inescapable melancholy? On the contrary, the saints were always in a joyful frame of mind. Many Christians experience indescribable joy on Easter.

And how can conscience allow playing cards if there is even the slightest possibility that everything # 5 said is true?

And we partake not with bread and wine, but with the Body and Blood of the Savior.

• schoolwork199610
• December 10, 2009
• 22:19

Is it a sin to play cards? Where does the Bible say? Gambling is definitely a sin.

• @ 4apoplectic523
• December 11, 2009
• 11:02

Alexander. He who is defeated by whom is also a slave. Yes, live your health as you see fit, just don't call yourself Orthodox - why deceive yourself

• schoolwork199610
• December 11, 2009
• 12:14

And even playing a fool is a sin?

• tank
• December 11, 2009
• 23:32

Peter Ivannikov I was baptized into Orthodoxy and why I cannot call myself Orthodox, if I am one.

• barre199909
• December 12, 2009
• 10:32

In my childhood, I had a case: I lost my camera ... Like in an apartment - I just disappeared somewhere and that's it ... I was looking for two weeks. We played cards - I'm going to put the cards back in place ... I'm shuffling the deck ... I say a terrible phrase - cards, well, at least you will answer where my camera has gone !!! Immediately one card flies out of the deck (as if I'm dropping it) and falls on the chair in the hole between the back and the seat! I climb for a map and what do you think I find there? That's right) I find a camera! Whatever came to the tin there to look for !! Since then I am afraid of cards like fire ...!

• rogers199910
• December 12, 2009
• 13:13

Tell me what to do: my husband smokes spice mixes. The roof has already started to go ...

• tank
• December 12, 2009
• 13:50

Natalya Fomina - to the narcologist!

• rogers199910
• December 12, 2009
• 17:09

Thank you, already in the psychiatric ball. Skvortsov-Stepanov in the ambulance, thank you friends. Strong addicted spice craze. He will sleep for 2 weeks, then the doctors will see his condition. I heard voices, someone was chasing him ... and so on.

I think he will be very good. hard to recover! Will he return to his wife and children? and how to behave? ..................

• canticle
• December 12, 2009
• 17:35

Natalia, in this group the topic of rehabilitation centers at temples was raised, or something like that. Look to see if this will help you. God help!

• @ 4apoplectic523
• December 13, 2009
• 18:06

Alexander P. It's great that you were baptized in the Orthodox Church, but after reading your 10th commentary, this is not an Orthodox way of thinking, not all baptized people will inherit salvation .. Well, in general, it's not for me to judge, forgive me. Although if you visit ships, everything can change for the better. God bless you

• computation1018
• December 15, 2009
• 15:16

# 10 Alexander. You write "If you do not get the buzz, comfort and satisfaction from life, then why live?"

It seems to me that these are three very different concepts, and not at all equivalent.

Comfort, of course, is not a bad thing, but to make it the meaning of life? This is somehow, you know, completely depressing :(.

Satisfaction from life is quite possible to receive and receive even if there is no comfort in it at all. For example, climbers in a hike in the mountains are unlikely to have comfort, but I think there is enough satisfaction, and the buzz. Or people in villages live, where the amenities are outside, and the bathhouse is once a week. There is much less comfort than in the city, but sometimes there is much more satisfaction from life. IMHO satisfaction depends only on how much your life corresponds to your ideas about what it should be.

The buzz, i.e., apparently, strong positive feelings, are also probably periodically necessary. Here are just the buzz buzz strife. Originally, the word is taken from the slang of drug addicts. You hardly consider such a high a necessary part of life. And to get a "spiritual high" is quite possible without beer and poker. Moreover, often giving up something sinful and harmful for the sake of the commandment of God, you get a completely special, incomparable "high" - grace-filled consolation. It is difficult to convey this in words; personal experience is needed here.

And getting satisfaction from life by completely indulging one's passions leads to the fact that a person needs more and more "new" entertainment, and gradually the needs begin to come into conflict with the possibilities, and even with the happiness and peace of other people. For example, if you have a spouse, or even a constant girlfriend, then the habit of "walking around women" can give rise to many problems. And it can be very difficult to give up what you are used to allowing yourself for a long time. Moreover, this is an immutable law, like Newton's law. Even if it seems to a person that he easily controls his desires, this is only an illusion.

That is why Orthodoxy teaches a person who considers himself a Christian to learn to limit his passions in order to preserve freedom from them. Freedom for a truly fulfilling, joyful and happy life. This area of ​​church life is called asceticism. If your interest in Orthodoxy is real, then read the "alphabet" of this science. For example, Abba Dorotheos.

• canvass
• December 16, 2009
• 00:05

symbols of cards (spades, hearts, tambourines, clubs), they are in the church of St. Sophia in the paintings

and the question of sinfulness disappears immediately

moreover, the biographies of monasteries have been preserved, where monks played cards and they had nothing for it

no one says that it is worth losing apartments on this

but it's better for a father to sit with his son, and even if it’s at cards, not at the Bible (although it’s certainly better for it), so it’s better for them to play cards

than a father in front of a TV set and a son in front of a computer

• computation1018
• December 16, 2009
• 15:04

So if they really are in the paintings, then this only confirms the blasphemous symbolism of the cards! In the temple, they are used to symbolize the Passion of Christ, and on the cards, the process of the game is a symbol of mockery of them. Right there they already wrote: "trump card" from "kosher" is pure according to Jewish law, i.e. assertion of the supremacy of the law over Christ; in fact, playing cards is a symbolic solidarity with those who crucified Him. Even if a person does it out of ignorance, it seems to me too serious to ignore. Moreover, to involve a child in this, whose soul is especially defenseless against mystical influences.

It is very good for a father to sit with his son, who would argue. But really the father cannot offer his son anything more interesting than cards ?! At least play checkers, or something ... Not to mention the fact that you can make something together. I still remember how my father taught me to shave with a plane at the age of 7 ...

But if he plays cards with him, then you should not be surprised at the lost apartments either - after all, what the father does is subconsciously remembered as correct and good. Will you also offer your son a cigarette ...

• canticle
• December 16, 2009
• 19:58

Many families came to our slot machine room. Sometimes very young children were brought in. We wondered why we do not let them into a smoky hall full of swearing gamers

• canvass
• December 16, 2009
• 21:00

I did not say that the father made a gambler out of his son

and checkers and dominoes and chess and cards must be played with the child

and not for the sake of excitement, but to teach how to lose and know when to stop

I'm not talking about a cigar, you shouldn't laugh, playing and smoking are not the same

and I will repeat

MONKS PLAYED

Why, it's not always to play "fool"

there are games that contribute to the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate in front. develop intuition

• computation1018
• December 19, 2009
• 13:11

But there are games that are much more effective "to promote the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate in front of. Develop intuition", and at the same time there is no need to solidarize with the detractors of Christ! And in the end, is it really that one, even if not proven, danger of this is not worth it to develop logic in some other way ?! I also understand that it is possible to discuss this, if life and health, then at least happiness and prosperity, depended on the opportunity to play cards ... But you can refuse to play cards WITHOUT LOSING ANYTHING. So isn't even the hypothetical possibility of such blasphemy an argument for a Christian?

And what kind of monks are you talking about? Monks, of course, are people too, and people are sinful. There were drunks and other sinners among them. There were also those who, for a time or even for the rest of their lives, avoided human judgment. But the Judgment of God is still there.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 13:33

Are you completely obsessed with religion? Maybe the fires of the Inquisition will really flare up soon? :-)

• edifice
• December 19, 2009
• 15:18

>> But there are games that are much more effective in "promoting the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate in front. Develop intuition"

Give examples of such games ...

It's just really interesting ... chess, of course, but chess is pure strategy without the influence of chance. Backgammon, checkers? Rustic (of course IMHO) ...

What card-less games compare to poker or bridge?

IMHO there are none ...

and it's not about the cards, it's about the person who took these pieces of paper in his hands and the point is in other people who diligently demonize them, come up with some kind of second, sacred meaning for the cards ... Or maybe it doesn't exist, maybe the cards are just a pile paper with pictures, intended simply for the game, and not in order to pretentiously "sell the soul to the devil?"

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:35

Everything! Let's normally find out the subject of the dispute !!

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:35

Playing cards are rectangular sheets of cardboard or thin plastic used for card games. A complete set of playing cards for the game is called a deck of cards. Cards are also used for magic and fortune telling.

On one side of the card (open), called the face, its meaning is indicated, the closed side (back) is designed the same for all cards in the deck.

Most modern games use a standard (French) deck, or a stripped-down version of it. Many games use special decks. Among these games are collectible card games.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:35

The first playing cards appeared in East Asia. In Korea and China, maps were mentioned as early as the 12th century. In India, they played with round cards, in China with elongated stripes.

Image of a European map of 1460

There is no exact data on how the cards got to Europe. Possible "import" through Arab countries or independent development through the supervision of Arab players.

The first mentions of playing cards or the devil's prayer book, as they were sometimes called, are related to the requirements for their complete ban. There is an entry in the chronicle of the city of Bern from 1367.

In 1370, the word naipes (playing cards) appeared in a Spanish book of poetry. Since 1377, references to cards have become more frequent (most often in connection with prohibitions). The most extensive story appeared that year from the pen of a monk in the city of Freiburg

It is believed that each figure in the cards represents a specific historical character:

* King David - King of Spades.

* Alexander the Great - King of Clubs.

* Julius Caesar - King of Tambourines.

* Charlemagne is the king of hearts.

Different countries use different decks. The most famous:

* Italo-Spanish deck

* German deck

* French deck

* Swiss deck

A standard French deck consists of 54 cards:

* 52 main cards are characterized by one of four suits (two colors) and one of 13 values.

* 2 special cards, the so-called jokers, usually distinguished by their pattern.

Many games use stripped-down versions of the standard deck:

* 52 cards (without jokers),

* 36 cards ("Russian" deck, values ​​start with sixes),

* 32 cards (preference deck, values ​​start with sevens)

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:36

decks of cards in different countries

In many countries (Germany, Eastern Europe, Italy, Spain, Japan, Switzerland) incomplete decks of cards with other symbols of suits and pictures are used.

For example, the German deck is a variation of the 32-card deck for traditional German card games (such as skat) that uses non-standard suit symbols.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:40

Tarot cards are a system of symbols, a deck of 78 cards that appeared in the Middle Ages in the XIV-XVI centuries, today it is used mainly for fortune telling. The images on the Tarot cards have a complex interpretation from the point of view of astrology, occultism and alchemy, therefore, traditionally the Tarot is associated with "secret knowledge" and is considered mysterious.

Description of the deck of tarot cards

Main article: Tarot deck

The cards of a typical tarot deck are divided into two large groups:

* Major arcana - "trump cards", usually 22 cards.

* Minor arcana - four suits, usually 56 cards, 14 cards of each suit.

The twenty-two Major Arcana are twenty-two separate plots, of which neither repeats the other, but when decomposed by numbers, they add up to a clear logical sequence.

Minor Arcana consist of four series or suits - Wands, Swords, Cups and Denarii, which later became clubs, spades, hearts and tambourines. Each suit, like playing cards, starts with an Ace, followed by a Two, Three, and so on up to a Ten. There are also curly cards or pictures ”- King, Queen, Knight and Page - one more than in playing cards.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:41

The origin of the tarot

The origins of the Tarot cards are overgrown with numerous legends. But, as is considered by most modern studies, the tarot cards appeared in Italy at the beginning of the 15th century (1420-1440). In 1450, the Visconti-Sforza Tarot deck appears in Milan. Remaining fragments of decks invented by the Visconti and Sforza families served as the prototype for the modern 78-sheet deck. The decks that have come down to us from those times are luxurious handmade cards made for the aristocracy. In 1465, the Tarocchi Mantegna deck appears, the structure of which is based on the kabbalistic division of the universe known as the 50 Gates of Binach. The deck consists of 50 cards, 5 series or suits (Vault of Heaven, Fundamentals and Virtues, Science, Muses, Social Status), 10 cards each. Some images on modern Tarot cards (major and minor arcana) were borrowed from the Tarocchi deck (Encyclopedia of Modern Magic vol. 2/1996 /). To date, there is no reliable information that the cards appeared earlier. Sometimes they try to start the history of the Tarot from 1392, because there is a record dated by him, according to which a deck of cards was ordered from Jacquine Gringonier for the French king Charles VI, and some of these cards are still kept in Paris. However, the Karl VI Tarot deck in the National Library is a handmade deck from the late 15th century. north-Italian type. Therefore, it is possible that the deck ordered for the king was a regular deck for card games.

The point to be made here is that the belief that the 52-card deck is derived from tarot cards is a myth. Indeed, the earliest documented mention of playing cards is the decree banning card games in Bern, dated 1367. But as already noted, the birth of the Tarot is usually dated to the 15th century, that is, a later date. For Europe at that time, it was no secret that ordinary playing cards came from the Islamic world, as evidenced by the entry of the Italian painter Nicolo Caveluzzo, made in 1379 in the chronicles of his hometown: “A game of cards originating from the Saracen country and called by them "naib" ". These early cards had four suits: bowls, swords, coins, and polo clubs (which Europeans interpreted as sticks) and figures consisting of a king and two male officials. Only later will Tarot add a female figure and 22 original trump cards to this set. As for playing cards with suits that are familiar to us (clubs, spades, hearts, tambourines), the French will introduce them into use shortly before 1480. Those who claim that playing cards are derived from the Tarot are convinced that the joker is the proof of this. In their opinion, this is the only surviving trump card of the Tarot ("Jester"), and the rest of the trump cards were abolished. But, apparently, this is also a delusion. The Joker originated in the United States around 1857 and was used as the so-called. "Wild" card in poker, or as a trump card in the game eukker.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:42

Name

As for the origin of the name of the Tarot itself, it is known that initially the cards were called "cards of triumphs (trump cards)" (Italian carte da trionfi), but around 1530 the Italian word "tarocchi" (singular "tarocco") begins used to distinguish the tarot game from the triumphs - trumps. Immediately, we note, like ordinary playing cards, Tarot was used precisely for gambling purposes, namely, it was used in a game resembling bridge. This game was very popular in Europe and continues to be played today, especially in France. There are various legends, ranging from the ancient Egyptian ("Way of the Kings", from Tar - "path" and Rosh - "king") or the Hebrew ("Divine Law" - Torah) and ending with the simplest: near the city of Parma in Italy flows the Taro River and cards were invented around here somewhere. Since in the word "Tapo" (Tarot) the last letter "t" is not pronounced, we can assume that the word is French. However, there are tarologists who emphasize this letter. They explain this by the fact that the first and last "t" are the same letter, they "overlap" each other, as if this word were written on a wheel, therefore the name of the cards comes from the Latin rota - "wheel". It remains to recall the Latin word orat - “speaks” and the name of the Egyptian goddess of priestly initiations Ator (Hathor), and then the whole phrase will turn out, which the American occultist Paul Foster Casey constructed from permutations of the four pronounced letters of this word: ROTA TARO ORAT TORA ATOR - “Wheel The Tarot proclaims the Law of Initiation. " According to another version, Tarot comes from the English Bar (court or obstacle, protection) and Tra - the root basis of the word "Path" in all Romano-Germanic and Slavic languages. From which it can be assumed that the Tarot is "Judgment Way" or "Divided Way" or "Protected Way". If you follow the interpretation of medieval secret teachings, then the "Magician" depicted on the cards or his path interpreted as the path of the Tsar, then the Tsar - he is the "Magician" - he is the Ruler - he is the Masonic leader, and his path is the future, which of all awaits under his leadership. This or that card reveals the moment that has come, must come, or which requires an offensive.

Egyptian

There is a legend that in Ancient Egypt there was a temple in which there were 22 rooms, and symbolic paintings were depicted on the walls of the rooms, from which the Great Tara Arkans later descended. This legend confirms the version that the Tarot cards originated from the vignettes of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, the drawings of which were actually applied to the walls of sacred structures - tombs.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:43

Kabbalistic

Others believe that the Tarot originated from Kabbalah (twenty-two letters and ten Sephiroth of Kabbalah - the basis of the Tarot system) and consider the starting point in the history of the Tarot AD 300 - the approximate date of the creation of Sefer Yetzirah, the fundamental work of Kabbalah.

Gypsy

A long time ago, many years ago, people of high consciousness discovered that the world began to flood with people who were unable to perceive wholeness. There is a danger that omnipotent forces, intended for use for the common good, can destroy the planet if knowledge of the laws of nature becomes available to those who do not feel love for her. Therefore, the higher ones, guided by their wisdom, encrypted all these laws and great techniques into images hidden in 78 cards. They gave the maps to the wanderers, of whom no one even suspected of the great ancient knowledge hidden in them. We call these wanderers gypsies, and the deck is Tarot, which means:

* TORA - law

* ATOR - nature

* ROTA - circle

* ORAT - speech

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:44

Divination cards

It is impossible to say absolutely exactly from what moment Tarot cards began to be used not only in the game, but also in fortune-telling. However, the first documentary hints at the possibility of correlating maps and human destinies date back to the 16th century. Some poets of the time, describing celebrities in laudatory verses, compared people to the trump cards of the Tarot. Such verses were called "tarocchi appropriati", and in one case (1527) they refer to the fate of a person. It is interesting that in 1540 in Italy the book "Fortune-telling" (Italian. "Le Sorti") was published, in which the author, a certain Francesco Marcolino da Forli, indicates a simple way of predicting with the help of cards of the suit of coins of an ordinary playing deck. This is the earliest known treatise on divination. Although the Tarot deck contains similar cards, it is still impossible to unequivocally state that the Tarot was at that time a developed fortune-telling instrument. As you can see, although there are hints of this, they remain vague. It is possible to speak of the Tarot as an established system of predictions only since the end of the 16th century, since there are records in Bologna, dated 1700, which unambiguously describe the divinatory meanings of the Tarot cards.

Tarot in the esoteric tradition

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:45

Tarot in the esoteric tradition

According to esoteric beliefs, hermetic, gnostic or kabbalistic symbolism is present in tarot cards, since the early Italian Renaissance, which gave rise to the tarot, was a time of great intellectual activity. Therefore, Hermeticism, astrology, Neoplatonism, Pythagorean philosophy and unorthodox Christian thought, which flourished then, could leave their mark on the symbolism of the Tarot.

Similar symbolic "traces" in the Tarot prompted later researchers to believe that the Tarot comes from ancient cultures (Egyptian or Babylonian), that this system is a secret collection of wisdom of the past. The first known researchers in this area were Cours de Geblen. In 1781, his book "The Primitive World" was published, in the last chapter of which it is argued that the Tarot dates back to the Egyptian tradition. He suggested that the name "tarot" is from ancient Egyptian as "The Way of the King". It is possible that the maps studied were created by the author himself. Even more suspicious is the involvement in the creation of one of the decks, or rather the next deck by the Comte de Saint-Germain or he is Edgar de Valcourt-Vermont, he is ... and so on. Whoever he was, appearing in different guises over the years, the main thing is that he was also in the same Masonic lodge with Cours de Jebelin. According to one of the versions, Saint Germain deliberately changed the original version of the trump cards of Antoine Cours de Jebelin in order to hide more deeply some of their sacred meaning, “easily” compared with the “Revelation” of John the Theologian. Later, the freemason Paul Christian, aka Jean-Baptiste Petoit, showed in his drawings one of Saint Germain's cover-ups - a map. This card deciphers and indicates the time of change in the coming century. And from that time on, the deck was looked at as a mysterious occult system, and the studied Marseilles Tarot became a model for creating decks, on the basis of which occult research was conducted. Note also that in the early versions of the Tarot there were not only astrological symbols, Hebrew letters, but even numbers. Such was, for example, the Visconti Sforza deck, dating from 1428, made by the artist Bonifacio Bembo for the wedding of Bianca Maria Visconti to Francesco Sforza. Only in 1470 did a deck of Montegna cards appear, depicting the classic gods and astrological symbols.

• tank
• December 19, 2009
• 16:45

Psychology and archetypes

The phenomenon of the universality of card symbolism was well reflected by Carl Gustav Jung, who noticed that the Tarot symbolism coincides with the system of archetypes he developed, and therefore the Tarot characters are images that, like mythological images, are generally significant for the human psyche. Therefore, some psychologists use images borrowed from the tarot to identify the client's state with a certain principle. This allows not only to describe the state of a person, but knowing the features of this archetype, to predict the strengths and weaknesses of the client, which can then be analyzed. In fact, it resembles what the 16th century poets did. It follows that the symbolism of the Tarot, due to its archetypal nature, is multi-level and has many options for understanding: philosophers see one meaning in it, and fortune-tellers - another. Hayo Banzhaf became a notable student of the Tarot through psychology. In the book "Tarot as the Path of the Hero", Banzhaf proposed a synthesis of J. Campbell's theory of the Path of the Hero with an understanding of the sequence of the Major Arcana. There are concepts of correspondence of the Court Tarot cards with Jung's typology and the Mayer-Briggs typology. Of the Russian authors, the psychological studies of Antonina Velichko deserve attention, who develops the concept of Bantshaf, Galina Bednenko, who studies the principles of the Major Arcana in the mainstream of Jungian, analytical psychology, and Oleg Telemsky, whose book "Leap into the Abyss of Peaks" is an attempt to comprehend Tarot cards through literary and poetic analogies.

Deck design

Depending on the style used, various famous decks were named:

* Egyptian Tarot - Egyptian motives

* Marseille Tarot - in the style of 17th century France

* Tarot Visconti-Sforza - in the style of the Italian Renaissance

* Tarot Ryder - Waite - painted at the beginning of the twentieth century, the most popular iconography, leaving many clones and descendants

• canvass
• December 20, 2009
• 13:35

Ekaterina Kovina

Forgive me the fool, maybe I'm not explaining something well

These words about monks, I heard it seems from Kuraev, maybe I'm wrong

I do not know of a more effective, interesting and simple way of developing logic, thinking and intuition, as well as the ability to analyze the course of work, than card solitaire games, but some of them are simple, but there are also complex ones, in which logical thinking must be very well applied

I do not want to convince you, I myself have not played for a long time, mostly solitaire, and even then rarely

I hope that this topic of our conversation will be resolved peacefully

And all of us will peacefully go to get the logs out of our eyes, and we will not pull a chip out of the eyes of our neighbors.

There is probably a priest in this group, so let him judge us

• computation1018
• December 22, 2009
• 16:51

And you will forgive me, Nikita. Especially if I deprived you of your peace of mind.

It seems to me that the Internet discussion of topics is good, that you can discuss a problem, not a person, i.e. not "pulling a sliver from the eyes of others," but to reason and discuss the situations themselves, actions as such. So it is much easier, in my opinion, to figure it out and understand something for oneself - after all, it is often more visible from the outside.

The priest, of course, can judge, but then there is no point in talking on the Internet at all - you have to look for a priest in the church and speak in person, eye to eye. But here, as it seemed to me, we were not examining someone's personal spiritual life, but trying to understand some general rules and principles of the life of an Orthodox Christian. And in this case, it is not the priesthood that is more significant, but the arguments, examples and arguments.

As for logic, intuition and thinking - to be honest, this is the first time I have met such an opinion about a card game. Rather, you will hear this about chess, go. But in any case, for me these are still incomparable things: the development of logic and thinking at the cost of complicity in blasphemy ??? And don't you think that by developing thinking and logic in this way there is a great danger to kill mystical sensitivity, subtle reverence, attentiveness to trifles in spiritual life? Is one worth the other?

And finally, regardless of the attitude to the activities of Fr. Andrey Kuraev, I think, you shouldn't give examples and arguments according to the principle “it seems someone once said that he seemed to have seen”. I am familiar with monks and nuns, with some quite close, I have been and lived in monasteries, and have never seen cards from monks anywhere. Such an accusation, in my opinion, is a provocation from the series "monks are drunkards and idlers, and the church sells cigarettes with vodka." That is why I so emotionally reacted to your example, and even the one cited by CAPS.

• @ 4apoplectic523
• December 22, 2009
• 19:12

Alexander, I don’t understand why should an Orthodox Christian read the history of occultism? This is at least boring ...

• canvass
• December 22, 2009
• 21:17

I did not condemn the monks, I specifically cited this as an example, not as a condemnation

like "LOOK WHAT THEY ARE BAD", just the opposite, as an excuse

I don't think we will convince each other

since we cannot convey intonation "

I say calmly "the monks played"

and someone may read and think that I am saying this with foam at my mouth, pulling the hair out of the crown

And I didn't want to offend anyone

I was not going to dissemble, do not think

I don't remember, I honestly confess all the lectures I have watched and listened to by Andrey Kuraev

I know for sure that these signs (tambourines, clubs, etc.) are in the murals of the St. Sophia Church in Constantinople (I wrote special)

• sweater
• December 22, 2009
• 22:29

Why so much text when you can just make a link and provide a few quotes you like. In addition, this is not information for thought, but as they correctly said above ... I would even say that this is rubbish.

• edifice
• December 22, 2009
• 23:45

Taaa !! Bukkavak mine !!! But the topic is not disclosed ...

• canticle
• December 23, 2009
• 13:58

Ilya, is it you for me?

• rimming
• December 23, 2009
• 19:20

# 46 Justify why the history of the occult is boring, and why it cannot be of interest to a Christian, as information about what can harm his neighbors. this knowledge is often beneficial. and why then in the course of theological seminaries there is the subject of Sectology?

• sweater
• December 23, 2009
• 21:05

No, Anna, not for you, but for Alexander Polansky.

• 59commemorate32
• December 24, 2009
• 08:29

Any passion is the beginning of the process when you cease to dominate yourself. "Everything is subject to me, but nothing should control me."

• fireman
• December 24, 2009
• 23:31

Oban, how cool everything is with us, supposedly Orthodox. Especially about cards. What are you talking about? And the opinion of the priesthood - generally we don’t know?

• canticle
• December 25, 2009
• 14:31

Natalia, apparently we don't know. If you know, we will be glad if you share with us.